The gorilla that installed it failed. *Edited to add that I should have said 11 minutes. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. This Limited Warranty further The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. Please log in again. L GardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! I just emailed Shluter to get more info on the product so that I can understand it and perhaps rebuild this shower with it-properly! Schluter-DITRA is bonded to the substrate using thin-set mortar. Ditra is not used in showers, it's a floor uncoupling/waterproof membrane. "Just out of curiosity, why the strong response to the thread title?". Here's an old Kerdi picture thread I did a couple of years ago. I'm using Laticrete 317 unmodified floor and wall thinset mortar. Does the stuff chemically weld itself together? Thanks, Jeff. The contractor used the Kerdi system and there is a Schluter drain at the bottom (have not ripped that out yet) but the system leaked all over the place. and Joe Bidet.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks. HYDRO-BLOK is the easiest, quickest and most user-friendly way to build a water-proof shower or tub surround at a price you can afford. I know how much he doesn't know about my expertise so I don't really trust much he promotes). Which is really a sad commentary on the slob who put it in. Or use Kerdi on the walls of a tub surround. It is your choice naturally but I am not smarter than Schluter and unmodified is available and workable. Price isn't always an object as long as I feel it will not fail. Edited 2/13/2009 11:50 pm ET by JonBlakemore. Maybe just the "Fest".It's a Kerdi-Fest! Hasn't leaked and I see no reason for it to leak....EVER. You obviously do that before the kerdi and you just use the kit tray pitch as a guide and continue it. We've done three showers so far and have one more next month and each time the client has opted to spend the bucks with Kerdi. Its pretty clear that the guy put the stuff in all wrong but now I gotta completely rebuild it and the shower heads constantly beat on the shower walls and caps. First, the Schluter®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-T/-TS/-TT prefabricated foam trays. Its the Darn mastic lobby. After 6 months of getting the run around from Schluter, the depression around the drain is about 1/4" deep and about half of the tiles have come up. The kerdi places in my area sell the kits but also sell the kerdi by foot and they have all the packages of kerdi band, corners, etc.One other thing I don't know if anyone mentioned is you can use the kits and go bigger by doing a mudbed for the additional area. and then goes on to state that's clearly not the case. Nothing like striking fear to get your point across! Complement your shower drain with a matching SHELF. Thanks for the reply, a little late getting back to read these things. But with the cräp that just fell outta the sky (and the additional crâp that's coming tonite and tomorrow), I wouldn't recommend doing anything but hide under the bed until Mother Nature calms down and some more snow falls. Many components come into play when building a watertight and waterproof tiled shower. I did make mistakes, real easy to build up corners too much, especially in my niches. I had never heard of it before. Schlüter-Systems offers an assortment of over 10 000 proven system solutions for the installation of tiles and natural stone. The Kerdi drain is wonderful because of how it lets you fine tune the strainer location when you are setting the tile. Another thing is to get the sales rep for your area, call the schulter number and they'll give you the person who covers your area. The chloraloy liner if done properly usually causes no problems. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to ensure a dependable and watertight installation. Shower System Shower & Tub Kits The choices can be endless when it comes to a tiled bathroom project, but finding all of the essential waterproofing elements to complete the project need not be overwhelming. ". What is everyones experience with the stuff. 8.3 Schluter®-KERDI-FIX is a single-component, waterproof sealing and bonding compound with a silane-modified polymer base. The Kerdi system did not fail. First, the Schluter®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-T/-TS/-TT prefabricated foam trays. Also in one of the pictures below, the installer framed a 2x4 and plywood diagonal shower bench on top of the liner. It's a really simple system and the instructions are very clear, they even have a free dvd. The login page will open in a new tab. This is destined to fail! Start your subscription today and save up to 52%. The Schluter shower system offers a lot of value to the home. "doesn't seem like a good idea to show pics of yer own work that's failed? Done lots of them in the past. I recently purchased an older home and am currently remodeling the bathroom. Yay! I am putting in Travertine floor to ceiling with a rain shower head. Just ripped it out and did a Kerdi. I have used Kerdi and it is a fantastic product, but like anything else it must be used correctly. The HYDRO-BLOK system was developed to provide you with a convenient and hassle-free way to build and customize the shower of your dreams. The shower is now finished. I got cetified last year at the CTEF (Ceramic Tile Education Foundation) by Schluter Systems (uncoupling, floor drains and waterproofing). How's Long Island these days. (It’s 4’x5′). My fav is dbl 3/4". you can't blame the product. Additionally, I have one contractor quote me that he'll use the Schluter system for the shower base and floor but not the shower wall? I just ripped out my sister in laws shower. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure Thats the info I want to know but never used it so want to get some feedback from people. I purchased the Schluter Kerdi system and had no problems with the walls at all. I thought it was a whole "system" to work together to prevent water penetration (?). The customer support is excellent and there is no shortage of information on the product out there. edit: oh yeh...and landed smack dab in Ditra's lap!! In this slow market, I dont know how much of that they are doing but it is worth a try. I recon it matters as Shluter says to use thinset, but do you know why? It's one of those things that makes ya' wonder.... can this be right? Watch as they renovate this small bathroom for accessibility and achieve a perfect slope that leads right to the drain because of the curbless design. It's a fine product. She has been on a Thursday/Friday seminar on how to use all their products. You can find it on his website.Bill. (Not getting paid much for the job so mideswell make it a learning experience), It just doesnt make sense to me why the installer just blatantly left holes in the kerdi and did not overlap. We talked on the phone just wondering if you had put that package in the mail for me regarding deck contracting. Use the stuff it is great. I used to think it was because of a leaky shower door, it’s not! I agree that the Kerdi did not fail. The last part of the Schulter shower system is the shower tray. i hate hate hate going behind slobs and cleaning up their messes. When this water is not headed down the drain it’s causing trouble for you! I gotta put something back there and want to know if the Kerdi system is the right product. IMO, yes, Schlüter is the cat's meow. Festool, neat but pricy. Heck, I might become a Schluter advocate after this experience. What do you think? KERDI-FIX is required to The Schluter Shower System is an integrated family of products that together form a fully bonded, watertight assembly for tiled wet-areas The Trugard Wet-area Arrangement removes the danger of failures due to water and vapor penetration and significantly reduces overall installation time. They both work great. Yeah, schulter can be wrong but when the product is installed with butted corners and with holes, etc. doesn't seem like a good idea to show pics of yer own work that's failed? The shower I did is 3x4x8' high and the materials cost about $350, with some left over. Napagirl, it's a little more work, but what people have had success doing is … Yea, it seems one can't badmouth festool here. Schlüter-Systems offers an assortment of over 10,000 proven system solutions for the installation of tiles and natural stone. We did a hud project and the door guys forgot to cut the doors for the carpets. Just address it as my old (#### ho;e) boss did..............dat orange stuff. KERDI-FIX can be used to waterproof pipe and valve protrusions in the Schluter®-Shower System in conjunction with the Schluter®-KERDI membrane and Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD. There is a lot more to ditra than those two items but if either one is incorrect I can nearly guarantee a failure. We stock everything from shower heads and body sprays, shower trim, and even shower installation systems. Being new to Florida, Rob was recommended as an excellent Tile person. See more ideas about shower systems, schluter shower, bathrooms remodel. Great question! I've delayed this one for that reason. I've put in one Kerdi shower, and while I did everything by the book it made the proverbial hair stand up on the back of my neck a little. Within the first month there was compression around the drain, tiles coming up. Wonder if you and I could weasle our way into one of those things. The idea is to have nothing that is moisture sensitive or that can feed mold between the shower and the rest of your house. He just suggested that a waterproofing system didn't work. We also find nails thru the vinyl on top of the curbs. After restricting access to the Nest thermostat in 2019, Google has a change of heart. They are incredibly common and are the most visually apparent symptom of an installation failure. In Englewood… When your shower pan leaks in your condo unit… Rust from water wicking up the drywall, sad. They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. The drainage solutions of Schlüter-Systems are a precise match for bonded waterproofing assemblies made with Schlüter®-KERDI and -DITRA 25. I like the title because it is getting good response so that I can hear how other people feel about the product and already got some good ideas because of some of the postings. Sorry to hijack the thread guys. We have puddling in one corner of the shower. We perform shower redo’s and tub-to-shower conversions as well as new installations of showers.. Schluter Systems allows us to provide you with a 10 Year Material and Labor Warranty. Now I look at cows and corn, i sure miss being near the water. The Mastic absorbs moisture, and will mold and rot. This is an illustration of a barrier-free shower to provide great wheelchair access. A cardboard box lined with Kerdi. Wow, I think the four of us need girlfriends or something... Yeah, my wife is snoring next to me. From Schlüter®-SCHIENE, the original finishing profile for floor coverings, to complete ceramic thermal-comfort floors. Then you can go Ditra. The trays can be modified by cutting to a custom size, or you can use a dry-pack mortar bed. Why?I mean, I like a good building detail as much as the next guy, but don't you think it strange to get up in arms over someone who wants to use 19.2" OC stud spacing or fibermesh in place of rebar in concrete? It seems to me, with just basic care with the installation, the Schulter system is pretty much bullet-proof. Just because he's Kerry. She (Margerite SP?) Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood, I agree that the thread title is misleading. First, the Schluter ®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-ST prefabricated foam tray. It always seems to be Hardi. Anyways, what do you have to do to seal the patch. While sitting at the table watching my daughter open her presents I got an email from Ebay. Installation error can kill the best of materials. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure It must be UNmodified thinset. Schluter Kerdi 38 Inch x 60 Inch Shower Kit with 2 Inch PVC Flange, Stainless Steel Grate and Joint Sealant 4.7 out of 5 stars 73 $369.80 $ 369 . That is the short answer, sorry, I am getting  them confused with one another. How long has Kerdi been in use? After all waterproofing is completed, I tested the system by flooding the shower pan (called a flood test) to confirm it does not leak. Seems the schluter products are readily available and they seem to have a good track record. This video illustrates how the damage occurs, check it out.. Because Kerdi is designed for the do-it-yourself type. Water made it’s way under the shower pan… Not sure there was much pan liner here.. Water damaged curb, simply unprotected from the ravages of moisture. The tile was cracked and it was a direct result of a) not getting the waffles filled correctly and b) improper coverage on the tile. Bad product? He says that because it is Schluter the only way to fix it is to rip out the entire pan. Come to think of it I can't remember a single time we screwed up. © 2021 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Please find a way to re-title the thread. Because the entire system is waterproof, Schluter recommends the surface material behind the membrane to be standard drywall. It took me all day to get half the shower out because I was disassembling it to find out, to the best of my ability, what went wrong. The thing I see repeated over and over is the failure of Kerdi to adhere to "hardi". I've heard they are one of the most powerful! Nice, but $$$$$.Kerdi's sort of halfway there. What they claim is that their system is waterproof. Below you will learn the effects and common cause of shower failure. Free Kerdi for everyone! For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice.... Did I tell you that I went skiing with a number cruncher from Schlüter on Sunday? It's of note that I came home about 20 minutes ago to a pile of boxes at my front door. The contractor used the Kerdi system and there is a Schluter drain at the bottom (have not ripped that out yet) but the system leaked all over the place. Easier to just say no and take the warrantee for the vast majority. But we use typar and ice and water shield, all those new-fangled building materials. Please ask the Mods to change the title to "Kerdi wrongly installed" or something like that. I usually use a product by GP for my tile work, but up here it is hard to find. having holes in kerdi would be like holes in shingles and saying elk shingles failed. Basically, shower failure causes the water to go where it shouldn’t be going! Help   I want to make sure that when I rebuild it, it is permanent. Shower Pan Liner holding water.. we should be happy, but we’re not. I use it on any shower job I do. If you have the time, patience and enough skill to put this shower together, you’ll find it saves you a lot of money in the long run. Wrong on so many levels. On second story and used every day since. Also, how long should I budget to Kerdi a shower like that one? Nothing's cheap, is it? Just a FYI....I just finished using Kerdi again a few weeks ago and realized how hard it is to find the right size trowel for it so when y'all go to buy the Kerdi they also sell the proper sized notch trowel. If you haven't worked with Kerdi, BUY and read the book.. First let me tell you why it’s important to understand if your shower is failing. Decks Blog, Just an aside-the corners are included in the drain kit. No problems. The math just isn't working for me. Guys mentioned ditra, is that the isolating menbrane you put down first to prevent cracking grout joints? uncoupling membranes, Schluter ®-Shower System, ... arising out of or otherwise connected to the failure of a Thin-Set System, regardless of any strict liability or active or passive negligence of Schluter Systems, and regardless of legal theory, whether in contract, tort, extra-contractual or other. I use Versabond which isn't "heavily" modified. As far as the Schluter Kerdi Shower System goes, they have good videos and instructions for their system. I was in your boat too, I did get to see the demo but I understood most of it before from watching the video and reading stuff here, john bridge and others. Note: The Schluter drain Kit includes 4 inside and 2 outside corners, and 1 pipe seal with 3/4″ opening and a large mixing valve seal. I patched it with another piece of membrane overlapping the cut by a few inches. Please choose your country or language to be directed to the website of the corresponding subsidiary. The shower kits had over 100% markups we fixed that and made them reasonable. I am green behind the ears, Dinosaur just told me about Ditra on another thread. It appears to be the one wall opposite the diverter where all the water hits and I can only guess he was running out of material and did not want to buy more so patched it in poorly with scraps. Git runned right out of the place! Superb Read More ... Our Story of Mann Tile in Englewood… The story of how we opened Mann Tile in Englewood, FL. Pre-sloped KERDI Shower Tray or Mortar Bed. I priced it on tileprotection.com and their cost delivered is $572.99! Thanks for the tip...........To All: By the way, we up charge the client when using Kerdi. … And then drywall over it, or cement board or something. Callbacks like this don't look good for you. UpDate: 12/05/2009 Home from the party. I am pretty sure the guy messed up the install but want some good feedback from people so that I can be a little smarter about it. 30 years ago we did lead pans, 20 years ago we move to vynle pans, 3 years ago we moved to Kerdi. "Nah, it's the other nucklehead's work we show. No one ever has a problem with cement board; Durock or Wonderboard. I've got several projects over 5 years old using both Kerdi and Ditra. See photos 1 and 2 there? Some of the problems I’ve seen from shower failure include; termites, tiles falling off the wall, rust, structure damage, ugly discoloration, a bad odor, and of course mold. To navigate through our assortment, choose from the following product areas. Unfortunately, I don't have that choice.... Gotta go eat supper; I got delayed reading Diesel's thread about his tools getting stolen. I know the Schluter seems to be the Festool of tile products, but couldn't they be wrong? No it DOESN't have to be unmodified thinset. Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. Bad installation? Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. I wonder if all you kerdi fans know that you only get a one year warranty LOL? Please tell me it's worth the money because I am having a hard time justifying the money for some tape together membrane a few sheets of plastic with square dimples. Some of the damage caused from failing showers.. Rust. There are some really nice features of the Kerdi system, like the really bitchin' drain that goes with it, the preformed corners you can buy, and the fact that there is nothing behind the tile to soak up moisture (except the thinset, or course). Here is a pic of the drinks in the breakroom. Only if it is instructive to others. I wonder if water will find those screw holes? UPS delivered the materials for my first Kerdi shower (preformed pan, drain, membrane, etc.) Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA. >>Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=86714.1. Termite damage due to the shower failing.. LI's OK...still long...still expensive...still has water around it...even cows n hay n potatoes... Far as Ditra goes...you need to be sure the floor is solid and I like it at a minimum of 1 1/4" thick of subfloor. The idea is to have nothing that is moisture sensitive or that can feed mold between the shower and the rest of your house. His entire adminstration went into the toilet! From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to … The shower is such that a mud pan will be easier than trying to fit their pregaged stuf fin place and I am quite comfortable gaging the shower. window.addEventListener && window.addEventListener("message", function(event){if (event.origin === "https://manntile.youcanbook.me"){document.getElementById("ycbmiframemanntile").style.height = event.data + "px";}}, false); CategoriesSchluter, Showers, Wall Tile, Waterproofing. I used to fish off montaque for shark, loved every seasick day of it. I'm diein' of anticipation here!!!! These types of shower pans are constantly getting a bad rap because of consistent failures. I didn't buy the prefab floor, used mud and kerdi on top with a kerdi drain. Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. Also for those who care. Wow, I know where I'm getting my Kerdi from now on. Maybe, but then what are you going to do, screw a layer of Hardibacker over the rubber? I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." February 14, 2018 Our Master Bath Shower had to be completely gutted because of water damage. As best i could tell, there were areas in the Kerdi where it was either cut or butted together. Still use 15# felt for housewrap; and prefer aluminised kraft over poly VB. Of course, I might not have clicked on it if it was labeled correctly, "Installer botches Kerdi installation.". Even schluter will tell you it's ok to use Versabond but the warantee is void. The shower is completely waterproof and features Schluter Kerdi Board and KERDI-LINE Drain. Posted onMarch 19, 2017February 2, 2019AuthortilemannLeave a comment. I believe any product can and will fail when installed improperly however when done properly it is better than anything else. I don't see how just overlapping 2" will seal anything. So I've bought in to the Schluter thing as well, I'm just wondering if anyone has an installation that's more than 5 years old? Just out of curiosity, why the strong response to the thread title? "A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower.". … And all this moisture invites termites and it smells real bad too. However, to make a ditra floor completely waterproof like in a wet room, run a strip of Kerdi over the seams between the sheets of ditra. The one learning curve for me was knowing how much kerdi I could get on there while the thinset was still wet enough. I’ve seen thousands of showers and have learned where to look for signs of shower failure. And the good news is that tile care is simpler than you might think! 1 1/2 years old. I already emailed shluter for the Cd this morning because I could not find a video link on the website. It was covered in mold when we did the demo. The last bozo put the tile on with mastic. If you're interested in a non-DIY method then you can either hire a professional to install it or you can take a look at the Vigo shower enclosure . edit edit...lol...wait wait...heard he's calling out the RedGard...bwahahaha, oh gawd...stop me...please...lol...and I also heard he called out his Wonder Board and they're trying to get Hardi Back as well...oy vey...nite***, Edited 2/13/2009 11:20 pm ET by andybuildz, Edited 2/13/2009 11:21 pm ET by andybuildz, Edited 2/13/2009 11:23 pm ET by andybuildz. I am getting a sense that people have had good success with it so am thinking I would like to try it. After logging in you can close it and return to this page. "I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. The one for my area did demo's at some of the tile stores so I watched a full shower demo and could ask him questions and see it done in person. That is, anyone with a modicum of skill and technique should be able to install it. In fact, that is an excellent question! No hope. Is one day about right? I saw some rolls in the big box today and of course, it didn't have a price tag. While putting the tiles up on the wall, the trowel slipped out of my hand and put a nice 4" slice through the floor membrane and the pan. Google Eases Rules for Smart-Home Developers, Micro-Adjust Deck-Baluster Spacing for an Eye-Deceiving Layout, Podcast 330: Anniversary Edition Interview With Patrick McCombe, Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20, Simple Way to Make Old Walls Straight and Plumb, Expert insights on techniques and principles. And you know me, I'm not usually a big fan of high-tech building materials. The only concern I have is for readers, DIY and trade, that do not remember Versabond and just grab any old thinset and then wonder why it will not set. I ‘ve always used vinyl and durrock (or Hardi) and knock wood, never had any issues. Except that time we fumigated a doctor's operating room by mistake while a patient was on the table. I get the fact that the Kerdi was installed wrong.However, 3 of the first 4 responses practically demanded that the mods change the title of the thread. The last lead pan I did was in my own house in 1985. Decks Blog. ""...the old chloraloy vinyl liner..."" ""I show them several pictures of the rot and mold behind the vinyl pan repair jobs we have done "' What was the actual problem with the chloraloy liners in the rep[aired showers? I have been using this system for several years and have yet to have a failure. I show them several pictures of the rot and mold behind the vinyl pan repair jobs we have done and a few of the kerdi during installation. - M.K. It’s not all pretty but needs to told! ... recommendations and my educated guess would be Schluter would definitely not guarantee against water damage or failure of their system. I want to be renovating bathrooms from the 60's  with yellow tile that desparately need it, not 2 year old baths that look great and leak like sieves. I have used thing many times but will not let anyone else use, learned my lesson before with loaning out expensive tools. No math, no measuring—just a simple jig made from an elastic band is all you need to lay out a good-looking deck railing. You would think the guy insulted the collective grandmother or something. My name is John. You can use 1/4" Hardie for about 1/2 the cost and it takes a little more work but not all that much. It looks like the correct fastener was used, but not the correct spacing. I'll second John Bridge's ebook. I asked because I used some of the chloraloy liners and wanted to know what the issues were. I'm cheap and made myself. If done right, is it really the cat’s meow? The anchoring fleece on the underside of Schluter-DITRA-XL is engaged in the mortar to provide a mechanical bond to the substrate. Schillings carries what you need to complete your bathroom and shower remodel/installation. If money isn't that much of an object go Ditra. LGardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! I think Wedi is more like Festool. It's Gore's fault. Edited 2/15/2009 7:20 am ET by captainbil. I gotta do it perfectly and if the Kerdi system is the best way to go, I am all for it. I put in a Kerdi shower about 4 years ago in my own house. Shower Failure occurs in 75% of Tiled Showers.. Mann Tile – Celebrating 5 Years in Englewood! I'm not a contractor, but I did my own 4x4 shower along with entire bath renovation last year. You wrote something that had me scratching my head because I wasn't sure what you meant. I contacted them yesterday and they are sending video (you might have read that). It is the best way I know to provide waterproofing and vapor management to keep the water where it belongs. I had a shower remodelled using the Schluter System. 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